Holy Spirit vs Holy Ghost

November 18, 2016

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I have learned so much lately that I wanted to share. These are foundational principles that have helped everything else make more sense to me. For the full audio Click Here.

The following are notes from my journal:
You can’t worship properly what you don’t know.

In the King Follett Sermon, given April 2, 1844 just two months before Joseph was shot to death, he said the first principle of the gospel is:

“To know for certainty the character of God”

Why does he want you to know for certainty?


When we come to earth we are all given a free gift which is our Conscience to know right from wrong. This gift has many different names that mean the same thing.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, the Light of Truth, The spirit of the Lord, The spirit of Christ, The Light of Christ  and others.

Now this is different then the Holy Ghost which we will talk about later.

It’s really important because this is the mode, this is the median, this is the channel that HF (Heavenly Father) has given us to receive information from them to help us complete our journey successfully.

More Reading: Voice of the Spirit


In the animal kingdom it is referred to as instinct. They don’t need to be taught. They do remarkable things almost immediately after birth.

Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made. (D&C 88:7)

When you’re outside on a June day at noon and you feel that heat and you see that brightness coming from that planet up in the sky, the greater light to rule the day, that is a lesser manifestation of the Light of Jesus Christ.

As also he is in the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made;
As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made;
And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand. (D&C 8-10)

That light and that power, that heat, come from him… and through him. The moon, the stars.

sunrise light

Side note: Sun is symbolic of Son.

The fact that we can reason for example… animals can’t reason… this is one of the differences between God’s children and the lesser creations. Man has this capability to reason. Animals do not. Animals function at a lower level.

And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings; (D&C 88:11)

Your ability to reason, as a child of God, comes to you because of the Holy Spirit. That’s the reason that you can have a mind capable of expansion; you can comprehend things; you can reason; you can think things out.

Of all the creation, man is the one that has the greatest ability to do that, that is because of the Holy Spirit that is in him.

Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space— (D&C 88:12)

See when we talk about it as a spirit, we want to attach arms and legs, a head and body and hands, fingers and toes and we get a little confused.

We talk about the Holy Ghost, who is a spirit, then we attach those physical things like a body.

But this doesn’t have a body and can be more likely as an it, rather than a person.


Whatever gods want to accomplish anything, whether it’s creation, or whether its giving revelation, or whatever it is… he uses the Holy Spirit as the median, or channel, or the agent of his works.

The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things. (D&C 88:13)

Now, verse 13 is the probably the greatest of all of them on the Holy Spirit.  

The three L’s of the Holy Spirit.

1- Light
2- Life
3- Law by which all things are governed.

Now stop and think about that for a minute. Without light there can be no life. So, if you’re going to have anything that is living; and is going to prosper; and grow; and increase you must have the element of light.

If you want to know what God’s power is according to this verse, you simply say the power of God is his Holy Spirit. And it’s made up of at least three things: Light, Life, and Law.

It’s the Law which governs all things.

So, let’s take some physical things on this earth. The law of gravity is a part of and is in place because of the Holy Spirit.

If there was no Holy Spirit, there could be no physical laws. Any laws in our world or in the universe that takes the chaos and brings them into order are laws that come into being through the Holy Spirit.


Anything that holds anything in order, any law, electromagnetism, electricity, is a part of the Holy Spirit. Interesting that something that we use so much. It’s everywhere, and yet if you’re to ask people what electricity is… you’d be hard-pressed to get a definition of what it is.

We can tell what it does. We can tell how we can generate it; but to give a definition of what it is you would be hard-pressed to do it.

Electricity is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Gravity, magnetism, any of the physical laws, thermodynamics, all have to do with the Holy Spirit.

Everything that is godly, whether it is father in heaven, mother in heaven, grandfather in heaven, angels, spirits anything that is in the employee of the gods use this channel, this agent, to perform their ministry.

Now, that science is so far beyond man, it’s way beyond us, but if we were to take a scientific course in how the gods performed their ministry, I believe we would find this spirit, the Holy Spirit, is the vehicle which they accomplish everything they do.

Now once again this can be confusing. The Holy Spirit is different then the Holy Ghost two separate things. The Holy Spirit is not a person.


The involuntary things that are physical body does, like breathing, like exhaling, in-hailing, the movement of the diaphragm, the beating of the heart. All these involuntary human physical things are caused by the Holy Spirit.

It’s a programming that’s in you that gives you life.

The Holy Spirit is only something to be acted upon. It does not act independently. It doesn’t think. It has no agency. It doesn’t make choices. It is a vehicle, medium, channel, the agent of God (2 Nephi 2:13, 14 & 26)

D&C 88:7 it says, when talking about the spirit of truth, it says which Truth shineth.

soaking in the sun

If you are to see truth physically manifest itself. We have to change our thinking on that too. If the truth were to physically manifest itself then it would shine, you would see it in light and heat. So truth actually can manifest itself in light and heat.

Now what is the relationship between the Holy Ghost which is a person and the Holy Spirit which is not a person. How do these two things work?

D&C 93:36 that the Lord says:

“The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.”

Let’s pick out the four words…

1- Glory
3- Light
4- Truth.

Now the way those four words are used in this scripture verse, shows that all four words are referring to the same thing. All four words are the same thing.

So if you wanted a definition of Intelligence. The definition is the Glory of God, Light and Truth. If you wanted definition of Truth… Here is the definition… Intelligences, Glory and Light.

Moroni 7:16 

16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.

So what are we to learn about the Spirit of Christ? “the Spirit of Christ is given to every man”…

That’s not the Holy Ghost. That’s the Spirit of Christ… So every person who comes into this world, into a telestial world, every child that the Gods send away to school… because that’s what this is, telestial worlds, and there’s millions of them out there, are the school houses of the children of the gods.[27:39]

Left Behind

They are send away from their heavenly home, just like parents send their kids off to the first day of school. The school bus picks them up and hauls them away. This is what the telestial worlds are. They are one-room school houses just, like the old Pioneer days.

You have in the same school room kindergarten, first grade, and you have juniors and seniors. They are all in the same room… that’s this telestial world.

Here’s the point…

Earth life

Every person who comes into these telestial worlds, every single child God gives this gift of light.

This light can be increased or decreased.

If you follow the enticing of this gift to increase its power in your life. If you will use this gift called the Light of Christ which does what? Teaches you right from wrong. It’s man’s conscience. Man knows inherently what is right and wrong.

Now if you follow this Light, it will lead to a greater Light. Now the greater light is an actual person and this person is the Holy Ghost.

You can’t access the Holy Ghost if you haven’t had experiences in recognizing and been obedient to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

The one sets the stage and is preparatory to the other. Everything in the Gospel of Jesus Christ moves from lower to higher, preparatory to fuller, fullnesses.

Everything is moving upwards. It is the same with the Holy Spirit.

Childs prayer

It begins to be a little quiet, and another name for this spirit, is the still small voice and as you listen to this little voice, through your obedience and experience, it can become a revelatory channel to where you can receive things that have no end.

But it begins with every person as a small little light that everybody comes into this world with… Whose basic function is… this is right and that is wrong.

How important is this to understand?

Brigham Young Younger Pic

Well it was important enough that Joseph Smith visited Brigham Young from the spirit world. He came back from the dead to give Brigham Young this message.

It is critically important because how can you receive Revelation? How can you call upon God and know what and how you worship if you don’t understand these doctrines?

At best what we will do is worship according to the precepts of man and the philosophies of men mingled with Scripture.

Where if you get an answer at all, it’s only going to be diluted.

Let’s talk about the Holy Ghost.

How do we know the difference?

Because the Holy Ghost instructs, teaches, fills in the blanks, more of the discussion, more of a commentary, more reasons why things are happening.

The Holy Spirit when it speaks to you is a guide and a director. It simply says do this; go here; don’t go there; don’t do this… and hardly if ever gives any reason for its instructions.

When Holy Spirit speaks to you, you’re going to have faith to move forward. If you move forward, you’re going to open the door for a greater light to visit you. The greater light is the Holy Ghost.

If were to describe the Holy Ghost ministry with words, we would do this: Testifies of truth, teaches and instructs, sanctifies, purifies, cleanses, transforms…

If we were to described the Holy Spirit, we would say: Guide and direct.

The Holy Spirit is the still small voice… The Holy Ghost can speak louder.

It’s my feeling that you are seldom if ever going to have the influence of the Holy Ghost in your life if you have not been obedient to,  practiced and become somewhat proficient in recognizing the Holy Spirit.

You can’t have the Melchizedek priesthood unless you first receive the Aaronic priesthood. Why?

Because the Aaronic priesthood is preparatory to the Melchizedek priesthood. This appears to work in that same way. It appears that’s the way God works. In almost everything in the gospel he moves his children upward and closer to him.

Starts out small, starts out in increments, and then as we are obedient, line upon line precept upon precept here a little there little we receive more until you can be in a full revelatory flow.

So let’s take it to the next step. [45:58]

And that they may grow up in thee, and receive a fulness of the Holy Ghost, and be organized according to thy laws, and be prepared to obtain every needful thing; (D&C 109:15)

So the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to bring a man and a woman to a greater light called the Holy Ghost. Which then leads to an either greater light which is called the Gift of the Holy Ghost which can lead to a Fulness (D&C 109:14-16)


You see how we started out, we started out with something still and small. Something that everybody has, and then you move something to a greater light and more exclusive.

Most people won’t come up to this. It’s a free gift to everybody to start, but to come up and receive what God had reserved for you is going to require, sacrifice, diligence, faith, and obedience.

Otherwise, you’ll never have it. So that the top of the Holy Ghost spectrum is something called the fulness of the Holy Ghost.

Find yourself

In my prayers in the future I will say something like:

“Heavenly father instruct me by the power of the Holy Ghost, speaking to the Holy Spirit, to my spirit, that I might understand and obey”.

Now you’re making request based on true doctrine.

The truer the doctrine, the more direct your questions are, the more your answers are going to come readily and powerfully.

God will answer your prayers in your ignorance but if you want to have a powerful revelatory experience God will honor you for trying to approach him in greater Truth and Light.

Most of our worship, if you’re like me, have been mixed with the precepts of man, and the philosophies of men mingled with Scripture. And God, because of his mercy and grace has answered my prayer and given me revelation.

But as I learn new concepts and as embrace truth he expects me to incorporate that within my worship and practices to him. And as I do that, he honors me by greater, more powerful revelation, deeper understanding, the Quicken mind, and enlarged intellect.

So you can approach him in Spirit and Truth. You approach him in Truth and you bind him; you paid the price, you sacrificed, you studied through prayer fasting, you’ve received revelation; and you’re operating on Truth. And he honors that because of your sacrifices and revelation flows.

This is a good revelatory foundation. You’ve got have a foundation of this if you’re really going to reach out and enjoy personal Revelation.

Sidenote: When I pray with Hiedi and we ask yes and no questions I get answers. This is the Holy Spirit speaking to my spirit yes or no. When I get a flash of knowledge that elaborates this yes or no that is the Holy Ghost. Our goal in the future is to Receive a Fulness.

All the Best to you and your family!

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Calling on all Warrior Angels

D&C 20:77 (Sacrament Prayer on the Bread)
D&C 88:5-13
A New Witness of the Articles of Faith, page 257-259
2 Nephi 2:
D&C 66:
Catherine Thomas quote
Moroni 7:6
D&C 93:36
Preach My Gospel, p 90
D&C 121:26
D&C 84:43
1 Nephi 16:10
1 Nephi 4:5
D&C 93:19


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