Powers of Heaven

December 28, 2016

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The following are notes from my journal that have helped me. For the full audio Click Here.

The brethren are really concerned with the loss of members in the church.

Scriptures 3

Moroni chapter 6:4 

4 And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; (You are given an LDS Identification number) and their names were taken, that they might be remembered (the reason for record keeping in the church is so that no one is dropped between the cracks) and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.

I think one absolute key is to be nourished by the good word of God to activity and success as a member of the church.

If you can’t come and be spiritually nourished you’re going to go somewhere else and seek to find that nourishment.


I think that we are as members in to many places are being spiritually starved to death.

There are three promises if you are nourished by the word of God.

1- To keep them in the right way.

People that are leaving the church are not being kept in the right way and nourishing them will do that.

2- To keep them continually watchful unto prayer.


Anciently they would build walls to protect communities. On these walls were watchman that would detect the enemy. 10 min

So notice if you’re nourished by the good word God. Not only will you stay in the right way but you will be kept watchful unto prayer.  You’ll realize the importance of prayer in escaping the hands of the enemy (devil).

Childs prayer

You’ll develop prayer habits that go beyond the primary prayer you say at church and go into something mightier.

3- The third promise if your nourished by the good word of God is you will rely alone upon the merits of Christ. (circle alone)

In other words you won’t do as Nephi says:

You won’t put your trust in man (2 Nephi 4:34)

Because being nourished by the good word of God the absolute byproduct of that nourishment is a mighty change of heart.

You will transform and developed the characteristics of the Master till eventually look at the word

“relying alone on the merits of Christ who is the author and the finisher of their faith” (Heb 12:2 also).

What do you think about that word the finisher of their faith? It goes for being exposed to the author of their faith to where their faith is finished. 12:25 min

When faith is finished. What takes the place of finished faith? Perfect knowledge. 

Wow! That’s Awesome! Do you see that?


So you go from being behind the veil to were the veil parts and you see the son of God the author of your faith. You see him face to face.  

Moroni 6:5 it says: 

5 And the church did meet together oft, to fast and to pray, and to speak one with another concerning the welfare of their souls.

What does it mean to fast and pray oft?

Because if you fast and pray oft, you end up being endowed with the spirit of revelation and the spirit of prophecy, and when you teach, you teach with great power and authority.



Bro. Packer said.

“True doctrine, understood, changes attitudes and behavior.  

“The study of the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve behavior…”.

The more you talk about bad behavior, the more bad behavior you get. So talking about it creates more.

The overriding theme is “rescue”.  

In reality, they won’t leave if they are nourished by the good word of God, and that takes them from faith to “finished faith with knowledge, and then they aren’t going anywhere.

So what do we do to get them back?  

We nourish them with the good word of God. We don’t tell cutesie little stories and long experiences about where we’ve been and what we’ve done.

Scripture is the key

We try as soon as possible to immerse them one more time in God’s word.

How does this apply to us? Do you have loved one who has left activity in the Church for whatever reason? How do we get them back?

If you’re like me, every chance you got you would talk to them about coming back to church.

Come back to church. Come back to church….

It seemed that the more I talked to them about coming back to church, the more it seemed to drive them away, until we discovered these little things that are in the scriptures.


Look what Alma says (31:5):

5 And now, as the preaching of the word had a great tendency to lead the people to do that which was just—yea, it had had more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which had happened unto them—therefore Alma thought it was expedient that they should try the virtue of the word of God.

What’s he doing? He’s nourishing the people with the good word of God. Keyword there of virtue. Another word for virtue in the scriptures is power.

Joseph smith pic

Joseph said this,

“A man would get closer to God by reading this book and abiding by its principles than by any other book.”

And it seems to me than when we want to help people come back, that the B of M should be the prime volume that we use in helping them understand true doctrine and be nourished by the good word of God.

I can testify to you that this works. We practiced it in 3 missions and we’ve never had it fail us.

Where we started going off in our own knowledge logic, persuasion, experiences and in our own stories, we had less success than if we went straight to the Word of God.

sunrise light

The effect was dramatic and here’s why.  God’s word is Truth and Light.

His word, whether it’s on a written page or whether it’s spoken from His own mouth, it doesn’t matter.  His word is food for the spirit.  

So, when we talk about being nourished, think about that. Being nourished is literally feeding your spirit with the fruit of the spirit, which is truth and light.

D&C 93:36

“The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth”.


Just as physical food nourishes the body, truth and light and glory and intelligence–which are all synonymous (meaning the same thing).


Any one of those 3 things describe the fourth, glory, intelligence, light, truth are all the same thing. These things feed the spirit and transform us into a man or woman of Christ.

Nothing invites the Spirit of the Lord quicker into a discussion than quoting His word from the scriptures.  

Better than that, having the person read the word out loud, out of their own scriptures, there’s something magical that takes place with that.   

Sidenote: On my mission I experienced this with Jane Reins. She had been inactive for years and we just simply had her read a verse in the B or M and she instantly felt the spirit and started to cry. This one event broke down every wall she had up instantly and she became active in the church again. We also baptised her daughter. It was amazing.

Other Scriptures:

“Where the people have no vision, they perish.  (Proverbs 29:18)

“My people destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6)

“My people are gone into captivity because they have no knowledge”(Isiah 5:13)

“The Lips of the rightious feed many but fools die for want of wisdom” (Proverbs 10:21)

This knowledge is things as they are, as they were, and as they will become, which is the definition of truth (D&C 93:24). We need to realign ourselves now and start looking at things a bit more seriously at that whole thing.

The problem with the solution of “true doctrine understood changes behavior…”

If you are going to be an instrument in the hands of the Lord, in helping someone’s behavior be modified. You need to know the doctrine.

Sidenote: This is why I personally am studying all of this. What better way to become a scriptorian then to learn from a person that has been a seminary teacher for 30+ years as a profession day in and day out. This is a little bit of a short cut to me to just get right down to it. Rather than trying to make a cake from scratch why not just find of recipe from a person that made cakes for a living.

We’re going to have to teach those doctrines and not get caught up in spiritual twinkies and fried spiritual froth which we hear too often.

We need to get back to the things that change behavior and strengthen the soul.

Side note: Transformational instead of inspirational which actually makes you change and not just feel good for a moment.  

These next are statements that change people’s behavior.

“If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves.” (JS History 6:303)  

Expectations In Life

Think about that for just a minute.

In order for you to know who you are, you need to know who your creator is. The more that you understand God, your Heavenly Father, the more you are going to understand yourself.

Joseph Said,

“I’m going to enquire after God, because I want you to know God and be familiar with him.”  

Sidenote: This to me means personal revelation.


Listen to what Joseph Smith said 3 months before he was murdered. He was before 21,000 people on April 7, 1844 (The King Follett Sermon). 

“The first principle of truth and of the gospel is to know for a certainty the character of God, and that we may converse with Him the same as one man with another, and that He was once a man like one of us and that God, himself, the father of us all, once dwelled on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did in the flesh,  and like us .”

Now, those are the kinds of doctrines that start to transform and changes behavior.  

When you start to learn about who God is, then we start to learn about who we are, and that relationship becomes strengthened in a big way. 

And unless we’re talking about these things, how are we ever going to learn them, if they’re not taught?

D&C 121:34

 Behold, there are many called, (ordained, conferred priesthood) but few are chosen.

Find Yourself

Section 121 is the Priesthood section that the Lord has restored for men, on how to honor and magnify their priesthood and have what we call Power in the Priesthood.  


And why are they not chosen? Bro Packer said.

“We generally have done a good job in the Church ordaining men to the priesthood.  We now have conferred and ordained men throughout the world, but we have not done a good job in helping them to be powerful in the priesthood.”

They don’t have power and why are they not chosen in verse 35.

1- Their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world
2- Aspire to the honors of men

According to Bro. Packer they do not learn this one lesson in verse 36.

“That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness”.

Let’s talk about 2 things.  The “rights of the priesthood” and “the powers of heaven”.

Powers of heaven is an ambiguous impersonal thing like celestial electricity, right?

Let’s switch this around and look at it a little differently. If one of the rights of the priesthood is to heal the sick, where does the power come from to perform that ordinance?  

Most would say, “well, it comes from God”, and you’d be right.  Because you are officiating in something He possesses and allowing you to tap into.

So that you can pronounce a blessing, that blessing is acknowledged, and the sick are healed.  But the source of the power to perform that healing comes from behind the veil.

No man or woman on this side of the earth can give you the power to perform that healing and have it acknowledged. It doesn’t come from that.

It has to come from a society of individuals who live on the other side of the veil.


In other words, you’re tapping into something, a group of men, that live in heaven on the other side of the veil. That’s the “Powers of Heaven”.

So, instead of thinking of some celestial-electrical conduit, make the Powers of Heaven something personal.  

God and Jesus Christ live in heaven on the other side of the veil.  If you are going to have priesthood power, you’re going to have to have a connection with them.

They are the source of all power and miracles that are performed in the telestial world behind the veil. Let’s take a look and see what “the rights of the priesthood” are.

Genesis 14: 30-31 (JS translation).

 30 For God having sworn unto Enoch and unto his seed with an oath by himself; (By the way, Enoch had established this connection with the powers of heaven, and as a result, look what it says)  that every one being ordained after this order and calling should have power, by faith, (here are some P. rights) to (1) break mountains, to (2) divide the seas, to (3) dry up waters, to (4) turn them out of their course;

 31 To (5) put at defiance the armies of nations, to (6) divide the earth, to (7) break every band, to (8) stand in the presence of God; to do (9) all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.


Here it is again.

(1) to break mountains,
(2) to divide the seas,
(3) to dry up waters,
(4) to turn them out of their course;
(5) to put at defiance the armies of nations,
(6) to divide the earth,
(7) to break every band
(8) to stand in the presence of God;
(9) to do all things according to his will, according to his command, subdue principalities and powers; and this by the will of the Son of God which was from before the foundation of the world.

Sidenote: Wow! Amazing! The elect have no need to fear.

Now go back to D&C 121: 36 

36 That the rights of the priesthood (in other words, power comes from something that vs. 36 calls “inseparably connected with the powers of heaven) are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

Think “people”, don’t think “things” or some “thing” or an “it”, think PEOPLE.  “and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled (you can’t control those people who have earned that right to have that power. They’re sharing it with you, on conditions).

I think that’s interesting, because when the powers of heaven manifest themselves physically to you, you’re going to have to know if they are powers from the dark side or the light side.

The only way you can do that is handle” them. They “cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.”

37 That they may be conferred upon us, (That’s the ordination and conferral that Pres. Packer is talking about) it is true; (and we’ve done a good job in that area) but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, (Those are the things that break the commitment) in any degree of unrighteousness, (that’s husbands exercising that control or dominion) behold, the heavens withdraw themselves;

I would draw a line from the words “the heavens” up to vs. 36 and connect the heavens with the “powers of heaven”. We’re talking now about “people”.

We’re talking about individuals. Someone, not something. “the heavens withdraw themselves, the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.”

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

This is where we need to go. These are the things we need to do.

Story about how he sold all his Guns as sacrifice to show God his commitment.


Story and Photos of Philippines Temple Shielded and Protected

We need to have a shift in our thinking. Put our money where our mouth is. Don’t just talk about it, but I want to show Him that I believe in what I had been shown. As a result, the Lord will open up even more to us with what’s coming.

Bruce R Mcconkie

Bro McConkie said that if you take the worst that this world has to offer…I think he worded it this way:

“All the turmoil, all the trials, all the adversity of the past (and I interpret that as from Adam up to the present day) will be but a foretaste of what is coming”.  

Go to Isaiah 10. The chapter heading says:

“The destruction of Assyria is a type of the destruction of the wicked at the Second Coming—(this part right here) Few people will be left after the Lord comes again—The remnant of Jacob will return in that day—Compare 2 Nephi 20.”

I think the only way that we can get through this is to put our trust in the Lord. Sanctify ourselves. Come up through sacrifice, observe our covenants through sacrifice, and let the Lord teach us how to be shielded and protected by Priesthood Power.


Russell M. Nelson (April 2016).

He talked about being in a meeting where a guy was playing the organ and all of the sudden the power went off. He was playing on the keys, but there was no sound. Pres Nelson whispered to his wife, Wendy, “he has no power”. Then he begins his talk.

“Well, brethren, in like manner, I fear that there are too many men who have been given the authority of the priesthood but who lack priesthood power because the flow of power has been blocked by sins such as laziness, dishonesty, pride, immorality, or preoccupation with things of the world.”

See, he’s coming right out of Section 121.

“I fear that there are too many priesthood bearers who have done little or nothing to develop their ability (watch this) to access the powers of heaven. I worry about all who are impure in their thoughts, feelings, or actions or who demean their wives or children, thereby cutting off priesthood power.  

Now, I’ll close by just quoting one part of this talk. He says,

“In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to (here we go) bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others.”

Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves, and keep his marriage and family safe now and throughout all eternity.

All the Best to you and your family!

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