Where’s the MEAT?

September 30, 2016

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From my journal this morning on the mountain.


Russell M. Nelson said:

“You have as much access to the mind and will of the Lord for your own life as we apostles do for his church”

But sometimes in the past I’ve deflected this responsibility to others and not myself rather than going straight to God and because of this I was soft.

I was a child on a milk diet that couldn’t handle meat yet God was there ready to give it to me but my spiritual muscles were flabby.

I don’t want to have to wrestle and get the answer myself. I want you to tell me what I should be doing in my life and because of this I missed out on some direction of what Heavenly Father (HF) was trying to tell me.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:9-10)

I hadn’t quite learned how to tune my spiritual antenna to the Lord nor did I want to. It’s so much easier just to deflect my own responsibility to someone else yet where is the growth?

Is my life a reflection of what HF wants me to be or what someone else does?

Am I living at my highest level or just someone else’s version of how they think it should be?

This is why personal revelation is one of the most important things to learn and understand in life more so than any other subject because if you can tap into infinite intelligence.

There’s nothing you can’t do! Nothing! And the only barrier or limitation is yourself.

If you don’t do this then there are plenty of people that will tell you how to live your life that’s not in line with what God has in store. It opens you up to huge influence from the adversary.

Many people think the adversary only tries to get you to do huge sins but what they really do is get you to live some mediocre life far from who you were meant to be all because you wanted to take the path of least resistance and have others people make your decisions for you.

Once again Milk instead of Meat!

I think we as church members in general have become soft. Deflecting our own responsibility to the leaders of the church rather than thinking for ourselves.

Looking at what the rule book is saying rather than what the spirit is trying to tell us.

Peter james and john to Joseph Smith

When the church was first established it wasn’t uncommon to hear people talk about vision, visitations from angels and spiritual beings yet today you don’t hear it. Why is that?

I believe its Milk and not the Meat!

It’s like my responsibilities with my own children. My ultimate goal is for them to be independent of me with their own testimony.

Well how do they do this if they constantly look to me to make every decision for them rather than God?

God is who they should be going to not me. My role is to help them recognize the prompting of the holy spirit and then to follow it but my ultimate goal is to get them off milk and into the meat dependent on God direct to the source.

Now through this process there going to make mistakes and that’s Ok.

We have become so nervous to allow ourselves to make mistakes that we’ve become complacent with very little progression in fear we’re going to take the wrong path.

Trail Map

We just stand at the trailhead hoping someone will come along and tell us where to go yet that person is not sure either.

So we all just stand there and look at each other hoping someone will come and tell us what to do.

This is where the adversary descends in with all its force.

Side note: There is a difference between a mistake and a sin. A mistake is missing #3 on a math test.  A sin is breaking a commandment. There is a big difference yet often times we think these are the same. This is a huge tactic of the devil to limit our progression and impact.

Expectations In Life

Thomas Edison tried over 1,000 unsuccessful attempts at inventing the light bulb before he was successful and this is how we should treat life.

The purpose is not to just arrive to this docile state but to progress and forge forward.

To build upon the foundation our ancestors left for us and not to just rest.

Brigham Young Younger Pic

Brigham Young said:

“The worst fear I have about this people is that they will get rich in this country, forget God and His people, wax fat, and kick themselves out of the Church and go to hell.

This people will stand mobbing, robbing, poverty, and all manner of persecution, and be true

But my greater fear… is that they cannot stand wealth.”

Wow! A pretty bold statement from a prophet of God.

More Reading: Beware of Pride (Ezra Taft Benson 1989)

February 25, 1996 is the day that more members of the church lived outside the United State then in. Humble countries that give there life and soul to God whose service is not a mandate but a way of life.

I feel like I can say this because I was in it.

I had the big house and nice car yet was in debt up to my eyeballs which left very little room for anything else but maintaining and using my stuff.

The other part is family traditions (traditions of our fathers). Satan has twisted this all up as well. Hiedi and I moved from Colorado back to Utah in January 2004 till March of 2011 to be closer to our extended family.

Every other sun we went to dinner at my parents. Every Easter we all went to Moab. Every Christmas was all pre- planned out to the letter which left little room for anything else.

Growing up in our family there was piano lessons, soccer, karate, swimming, water polo, dance lessons, diving, violin, guitar, vacations, camps, scouts, recitals the list goes on….

How does any of this leave life up for personal revelation or the will of God?

It doesn’t yet this was how life was for me and everyone around me. That’s all I knew. Just stack it up as high as you can and if there is any room just jam another thing in there.

So now as an adult looking back through the experiences I’ve had with God. Im awakened to the fact that it was all just a big waste in the eternal perspective of things.

Now am I saying all of it was bad? No but wow!! My head spins just thinking of it all. There was very little if no spiritual and as far as personal revelation? There was none!

How could there be? Everyone was to busy trying to keep up.

Was it my parents fault? No! This is all they knew. How do you disconnect yourself from it all when everyone around you is preaching the same thing?

When you’re in a river with a strong current. It’s nearly impossible to stop unless you just finally pull to the side and get out.

This is what Hiedi and I did not knowing beforehand that we were doing it but God knew. What at the time seemed to be the biggest challenge ended up being the biggest blessing beyond words can describe.


HF sent us to our own wilderness to clean and purify us from the “traditions of our fathers”. To show us that there is a better way and that it’s through God’s will not mine.

19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

More Reading: Good, Better, Best (Dallin H. Oaks 2007)

More of my story…

I remember the moment when I hit my breaking point. It was Sunday Jan 18, 2009. Hiedi and I were fasting for an answer. I had just tucked the kids into bed and went into our bedroom. I kneeled down in front of our green chair.

I asked my HF why he was doing this to me? Can’t you see how much pain I’m in? Why aren’t you listening? Then I paused for just a moment.

As clear as day I heard a voice in my head.

“Have you had enough?”

I was confused at first by the question. Had enough of what I thought? Then he said it again.

“Have you had enough?”

Then it all made sense. Had I had enough of doing it all my way. Was I ready to listen? Then at that moment I asked a different question.

“HF what is it you want me to do?”

At that moment it all changed for me. It was no longer about what I wanted to do or what I felt was best but what God wanted me to do and my life changed forever.

But in order for God to use me he had to clean me up and clear up some misconceptions on him which is what he’s done for me the last 8 years of my life and why I keep writing these things.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. (Matthew 10:35-37)

I love this scripture because it’s all about the fear of others versus God. If I love my father, mother, father-in law, mother in law, daughter or son more then God then I’m not worthy of him.

Love is an action word. Love is where we spend most our time.

So how do you get out of this rut?


You AWAKE from the deep sleep the enemy has you under.  You rise up and be the person God intended you to be.

You find your voice and Speak Up!

All the Best to you and your family!

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Calling on all Warrior Angels

More Reading: Does God Trust Me?
More Reading: Land of Pleasing Others
More Reading: Paradox of Choice (Ted TV)

Other Quotes on the Subject: 


“Before that day comes, however, the Saints will be put to a test that will try the integrity of the best of them.

The pressure will become so great that the more righteous among them will cry unto the Lord day and night until deliverance comes.

Yes, we think we are secure here in the chambers of these everlasting hills, where we can close the doors of the canyons against mobs and persecutors, the wicked and the vile, who have always beset us with violence and robbery, but I want to say to you, my brethren, that the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy against the people of God.

Then is the time to look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great shifting time, and many will fall. For I say unto you there is a test, a Test, a TEST coming.” (Heber C. Kimball, August 16, 1857).

“The time will come when no man nor woman will be able to endure on borrowed light. Each will have to be guided by the light within himself. If you do not have it, how can you stand? (Heber C. Kimball)


“I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him.

I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken the influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way.

Let every man and woman know themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictate, or not. This has been my exhortation continually (James E. Faust – Continuous Revelation, Oct 1989, Uchtdorf – What is Truth, Jan 2013)

President J. Reuben Clark stated, “We can tell when the speakers are moved upon by the Holy Ghost only when we, ourselves are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.” (James E. Faust – Continuous Revelation – Oct 1989)


But God intends that His Children should act according to the moral agency He has given them, That every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of Judgment. (D&C 101:78).

It is His plan and His will that we have the principal decision-making role in our own life’s drama. God will not live our lives for us nor control us as if we were His puppets, as Lucifer once proposed to do.

Nor will His prophets accept the role of puppet master in God’s place.

Brigham Young stated: “I do not wish any Latter Day Saint in this world, nor in heaven, to be satisfied with anything I do, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, – the spirit of revelation, makes them satisfied.

I wish them to know for themselves and understand for themselves.” (Free Forever, to Act for Themselves, D. Todd Christofferson – Oct 2014)

Even more to really anchor it…

Look at it Psychologically

One huge psychological method with helping someone understand something is helping them discover it on their own. Then it will be locked in and anchored forever. If you just come right out and say it it won’t have the same impact.

Same with personal revelation. If we don’t get personal confirmation of what a church leader has said and discover it on our own we are just following blindly and it won’t have an impact. It will just be words.

So that’s why we can’t pass the buck on our responsibilities for personal revelation direct from God and not solely relying on our leader to tell us what to do.

HF wants us to be confident self reliant people temporally but also spiritually. It’s the same concept as having our own testimony or relying on someone else’s testimony.

There is no rub in questioning or getting confirmation from the spirit whether someone else has said something true or not as long as it’s done by the spirit.

The adversary wants us to be weak and not stand on our own when the clouds come in anchored on what someone else said or experienced not our own experiences.  So Satan gets us to think that it’s bad to question a leader yet when we question someone we actually add to the conversation and direction and give a different perspective. Instead of 1+1=2. It’s 1+1=100. Stephan Covey talks a lot about this.

What is the Ultimate Objective?

In business whenever I set off to do a major project the one question I ask is:

What is the ultimate objective in this project?

If I don’t I’ll end up at a place far from where I wanted to be.

Same in life. What is the ultimate objective in life?

Is it to have fun?
Is it to go on a lot of vacations?
Is it to acquire things?
Is it temporal security?
Is it to retire?

So what is the ultimate objective in life? I used to think it was something different then I do now. Life is but a tiny moment in eternity so don’t waste it on trivial things.

I’m not saying all these things are bad but once again what is the main objective in life? In everything I do I like to see the big picture first before I go into the details so that I can know what I’m doing ties to this ultimate goal.


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